If you are considering change of Hi Fi rack, I'd recommend you to get the craze rack, once and for all. The price of one wide craze rack is not too much more than the sum of two racks from the current fashion, especially when the level of technicality and human labor put into it. Talk to c.c.n, talk to PT.
The real trouble is the waiting time at least 2.5 months to 3 months to build from scratch based on your own measurements. I don't openly recommend something if it is just ordinarily good. That is not good enough for me, it must be damn good. If you choose 833 as your amplification partner, you must be qualified as craze audiophile.
The Ohio XL+2 for your 833 should leave the US next Friday (tentatively). You should definitely get them within this month.
Why don't you ask Studiogrey to check with me as well since I am an existing Craze user while c.c.n and PT are users-to-be. (just joking).
Studiogrey, one of the experience that I always have in buying products from AE is that it is always better to make the timing right or otherwise you will either need to wait a much longer time or have to pay more due to currency (as Euro is always on the upward trend in the recent years). So far, I only regret not taking the recommendations earlier but of course there are personal constraints ($) on my side which hinder my decision process.
With a full house of Wavac top notch amplifications, they really deserve the best parking slot to show their true color.
JLam, I'm not doubt the ultimate performance of the crazy rack but I had order a wooden rack already. after the 833, I have save money again so can't afford this dream rack.
My 2nd visit the Kharma Midi last night, i belived the bass had been fully control, I and Studiogrey hing could heard the bass come out layer by layer now. And the much bigger soundstage. Now i know why PT told me the Violin play under Wavac will be very beautiful. We cannot stop playing our favourite CD each by each. Thanks!
CCN hing, after you back to home, I maximum the output volume of 833, the dynamic and soundstage much better but the same problem happen when play SACD, the noise of high frequency still there, Now I can do is turn down the output 12/30 when play the SACD. except the problem, 833 with SRA is perfect.
Is any bro used wavac 805 with SACD has same problem?
studiogrey, I envy your ownership of 833. I use 805 and love them. I had the emm lab sacd combo for 6 months, the high frquency noise of sacd is annoying. In the end i dropped sacd, and go into lp. the sacd comes from lp recording.
因SACD所多出 Frequency range 由30KHz 到 100KHz,應是人耳不可聞的頻譜,不應是可聞的”絲絲沙沙”. 其實 Ito San 應該睇下線路上可否改進才為上策. 因為output全開同半開,真係差好多.
Matthew_C兄用P/D-03 推Audionote,有否同情况?
對於黑膠,暫時都不考慮,軟件為最大問題.
我本身只用過在833上,分別之大可說是嚇死人.如發哥用胆後,我覺得一定要入手.
I didn't have any problem w/ my SACD setup (p/d-03, KSL-M7, Ongaku , Kharma Exq. Mini). As a matter of fact, when playing SACD, especially for string instruments, I have a feeling of unlimitied bandwidth through my Kharma (when dual SMR SE are used).
Sometime, I wonder if people's comment about SACD's issue w/ high frequency is related to the tweeter/crossover design they have (i.e. out of band signal if the cross over doesn't attenuate signal above 20KHz where the tweeter can't handle the fequency). But not having heard those setups, I don't really know.
And just to throw a curve ball... from one of the discussions I have read about another speaker's high-frequency issue, it turns out that it's not the tweeter or high-frequence per se. It's the too-gradual roll-off of the crossover of the mid-range where the mid-range driver was ringing due to the very high frequency being feed to the speakers.
Ah, Studiogrey, but you are still using the Kharma Midi right? So bandwidth of your speaker should be no issue. Assuming your P/D03 setup is normal, I will definitely be suspecious of the amp......
studiogrey hing, I believe it is the GAIN issue. Your amp has very big input gain stage. Reduce the gain on the amp input, and increase the gain on the preamp.
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If you are considering change of Hi Fi rack, I'd recommend you to get the craze rack, once and for all. The price of one wide craze rack is not too much more than the sum of two racks from the current fashion, especially when the level of technicality and human labor put into it. Talk to c.c.n, talk to PT.
The real trouble is the waiting time at least 2.5 months to 3 months to build from scratch based on your own measurements. I don't openly recommend something if it is just ordinarily good. That is not good enough for me, it must be damn good. If you choose 833 as your amplification partner, you must be qualified as craze audiophile.
The Ohio XL+2 for your 833 should leave the US next Friday (tentatively). You should definitely get them within this month.
JLam
Why don't you ask Studiogrey to check with me as well since I am an existing Craze user while c.c.n and PT are users-to-be. (just joking).
Studiogrey, one of the experience that I always have in buying products from AE is that it is always better to make the timing right or otherwise you will either need to wait a much longer time or have to pay more due to currency (as Euro is always on the upward trend in the recent years). So far, I only regret not taking the recommendations earlier but of course there are personal constraints ($) on my side which hinder my decision process.
With a full house of Wavac top notch amplifications, they really deserve the best parking slot to show their true color.
Marvel
My 2nd visit the Kharma Midi last night, i belived the bass had been fully control, I and Studiogrey hing could heard the bass come out layer by layer now. And the much bigger soundstage. Now i know why PT told me the Violin play under Wavac will be very beautiful. We cannot stop playing our favourite CD each by each. Thanks!
Is any bro used wavac 805 with SACD has same problem?
暫時來講, 在AE購買器材已一段時間, 自己要做一个排行表, 有錯直言即可:
1.SRA版, 無嘢講, 對任何組合均是正面影響
2.wavac PR-T1, 相對石机(vitus, 石前可勝它的, 好少!)來說, 最細節會差一点点, 但音樂感大勝.
3.argento SMR, 論速度, 分離度, 高低頻伸展度等hifi factor, 不是最好, 但一用上, 叫我抽出又不可能, 用SMR, 樂器及人聲有一種focus, 又有一種彈性.
4.wavac 833 v1.3, 如可修正play SACD的問題, 它是第一等. 煲熟之後再將output volume 全開, 有一種人性的感覺係未從在其它器材上感到. 越大場面, 越想大聲啲. 全部不論人聲/樂器均有一種彈力, 鮮活度一流. 我係昨日先感受到.
5.flow PC, 好流暢但欠缺一種彈性/力感, 只合用細watt數的器材, 入source一流,pre/power 就差一啲.
你套器材全是極品級數，真係羨慕死人！你所講的 "越大場面, 越想大聲啲. 全部不論人聲/樂器均有一種彈力" 反映你對833功放的驅動力和控制力是極級水平，好少功放能夠做到收放自然。
AE代理的產品，以我愚見，是音樂行前，音效次要。其實分析力高應該是愈近音樂，但市場上好似把分析力和音樂感分開來睇，變成不同派別，我最開心就是認識了PT，教了我好多音樂的根基。Argento線將我對線材的睇法改觀，我完全同意你的講法，用了後不能不用！
可能我用高效率喇叭，條Flow用在膽功放力水一流，但我同意用Flow在訊源幾乎是百發百中！
我睇你所講SACD的雜訊問題是本身訊源的問題，好似黑膠碟的抄豆聲，如本身錄音已有，經你超透明糸統重播，你應該連這些雜訊也聽到。如你有個黑膠盆，應即可明白。Grey兄會否進入黑膠世界？
我都想用SRA板，如只能買一塊，我應用在那裡?
因SACD所多出 Frequency range 由30KHz 到 100KHz,應是人耳不可聞的頻譜,不應是可聞的”絲絲沙沙”. 其實 Ito San 應該睇下線路上可否改進才為上策. 因為output全開同半開,真係差好多.
Matthew_C兄用P/D-03 推Audionote,有否同情况?
對於黑膠,暫時都不考慮,軟件為最大問題.
我本身只用過在833上,分別之大可說是嚇死人.如發哥用胆後,我覺得一定要入手.
I didn't have any problem w/ my SACD setup (p/d-03, KSL-M7, Ongaku , Kharma Exq. Mini). As a matter of fact, when playing SACD, especially for string instruments, I have a feeling of unlimitied bandwidth through my Kharma (when dual SMR SE are used).
Sometime, I wonder if people's comment about SACD's issue w/ high frequency is related to the tweeter/crossover design they have (i.e. out of band signal if the cross over doesn't attenuate signal above 20KHz where the tweeter can't handle the fequency). But not having heard those setups, I don't really know.
And just to throw a curve ball... from one of the discussions I have read about another speaker's high-frequency issue, it turns out that it's not the tweeter or high-frequence per se. It's the too-gradual roll-off of the crossover of the mid-range where the mid-range driver was ringing due to the very high frequency being feed to the speakers.